On this week’s Dropout Nation Podcast, RiShawn Biddle looks at the contrasting moves on reform by California Gov. Jerry Brown and Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, and explains why leadership at the gubernatorial level matters. Reformers need to take five key steps to bring more reform-minded governors and other state leaders into office to advance systemic reform.

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