- @TPCarney You mean, New York City, right? in reply to TPCarney #
- Off-ed: You know some kid is watching "New Jack City", mimicking Wesley Snipes, saying "you've got to rob to get rich in the Obama era" #Sad #
- At Dropout Nation: Michelle #Rhee on Teacher Quality/Achievement Gaps https://dropoutnation.net/g5s #DCPS #TQReform #
- RT @DrStevePerry: It's such a taboo to blame ineffective teachers. It ain't like they're volunteering… they're getting paid good money! #
- At Dropout Nation: Why Russ Whitehurst Gets It Mostly Wrong on #HCZ https://dropoutnation.net/ujx #edreform #GeoffreyCanada #
- True RT @DrStevePerry: We've blamed everything except for ineffective teachers for America's failing schools #edreform #TQReform #
- No RT @CharterInsights: http://ow.ly/2g3FN Is merit pay different from "strategic compensation?" #edreform #TQReform #PerformancePat #
- @TheRebull Just inferno? Just saw the Wicked Witch of the West melting melting #TheWizardofOz in reply to TheRebull #
- RT @cathgrimes: Cred. issue assoc w/ nonrenewals in #HRVA too. RT @arotherham: 3 underplayed aspects of #DCPS story #
- At Dropout Nation: #MichelleRhee on Teacher Quality/#edgap https://dropoutnation.net/g5s #DCPS #TQReform #edreform #AdrianFenty #AFT #
- The Dropout Nation Podcast Rallying Single Parents, Grandparents, Immigrants for #edreform https://dropoutnation.net/sc #ParentPower #
- In Texas, resolution is proposed to assure that textbooks stick to state standards #LoneStarStateAntics #
- Paul Peterson on how GOP could save Obama's #edreform #RttT agenda from congressional Dem. self-immolation #
- Of course, Peterson's scenario depends on if you think GOP has a coherent #edreform agenda at the Cong. level. Christie? Arnold? Yeah… #
- Daniels? Yes. Pawlenty? Yes. But the congressional GOP? Umm, no. #edreform is nowhere near the the top (or even bottom) of talking points #
- At best, congressional GOP will offer some items on #SchoolChoice and otherwise go along w/Obama on #edreform .. #
- At worst, the anti-fed role crowd led by Rep. Kline will essentially team up w/#NEA and #AFT to oppose #RttT #NoChild #ESEA, #edreform #
- @irasocol If you think Christie & Perry are one and same on #edreform then you're either unserious, disingenuous or not paying attention. in reply to irasocol #
- @irasocol and therefore, unworthy of argument. in reply to irasocol #
- @irasocol But then, you're unable to see those with whom you disagree as sentient, thoughtful people. So this is no shock. in reply to irasocol #
- EdSector's Manwaring notes the governance/accountability problems of #ParentPower #FamilyEngagement in #edreform #
- @irasocol And a lot of thoughtful people do believe in equality of opportunity, which is why they are pursuing #edreform #
- @irasocol the problem is that you disagree with the strategy and tactics. You also have a class envy problem that I have no time to consider in reply to irasocol #
- @irasocol Thanks for your thoughts. in reply to irasocol #
- Today's Maxim RT @dlg1972 @CoryBooker: "It's hard to beat a person who never gives up." Babe Ruth #
- Off-ed: Charles Rangel holds talks w/congressional ethics folks on settling charges; doesn't want to admit full guilt http://nyti.ms/bwcF19 #
- @irasocol no it does not. Markets, by nature, do not imply winners or losers. It is free exchange, provision of that needed to sustain life in reply to irasocol #
- @irasocol And in the case of education, one can compare it to other inherent liberties, none of which require anything close to socialism in reply to irasocol #
- @irasocol my right to equal opportunity under the law as a black man isn't dependent on socialism; it is inherent. Since govt does provide in reply to irasocol #
- @irasocol for education (and equal opportunity to high quality ed is part of this), one doesn't neee socialism to provide this for all. in reply to irasocol #
- @irasocol To say otherwise is to thoroughly misunderstand political science and economics. in reply to irasocol #
- @irasocol and sadly, you have never run anything approximately involving markets. If you did, you wouldn't say what you are saying. in reply to irasocol #
- @irasocol Again, thanks for your thoughts. in reply to irasocol #
- @irasocol No, Ira, socialism is nothing more than an economic theory (mostly-discredited, thanks to the USSR and Europe's economic malaise) in reply to irasocol #
- @irasocol It is a theory based on a command-and-control concept of deciding how to meet the common good. Free market theory is based on the in reply to irasocol #
- @irasocol idea of meeting those same needs without coercion, by choice, by appealing to the concept of a common good and using multiple in reply to irasocol #
- @irasocol approaches to meeting those common goods and needs, education being one of them. in reply to irasocol #
- @irasocol The folks who gain from this approach — especially children — make those gains because it is a balance of meeting needs and in reply to irasocol #
- @irasocol economic efficiency. in reply to irasocol #
- @irasocol And sadly, you haven't gained from the experiences. in reply to irasocol #
- @irasocol Again, I do believe we both have the same goals in mind. But we disagree on tactics, strategies, philosophies and how we see in reply to irasocol #
- @irasocol people, especially #edreform activists. You see them as rapacious corporatists (even though many come from the political left) in reply to irasocol #
- @irasocol I see them as people who are devoting energies, wealth, experience to improving the lives of children — and doing so even though in reply to irasocol #
- @irasocol many of them don't even come from the same backgrounds as the kids with whom they work. in reply to irasocol #
- @irasocol In short, I look for the positive (even with teachers union bosses with whom I strongly disagree), but will fight furiously for in reply to irasocol #
- @irasocol every child in order to make it happen. I hope you come from the same place. But I can't say that, based on your own words. in reply to irasocol #
- @irasocol Again, thanks for your thoughts. in reply to irasocol #
- @irasocol And apologies for demeaning your experience. That is not what I'm here to do and I shouldn't have done so. in reply to irasocol #
- @readtoday No it isn't. Politics isn't any more separate from education governance, delivery in Finland than in any nation in which… in reply to readtoday #
- @readtoday education involves any form of government delivery. And to be honest, I'm not sure you should fully remove politics from ed. in reply to readtoday #
- For those who argue that what is happening in #DCPS is punitive to teachers: You're right! It's punitive for poor-performing ones #edreform #
- You know, the ones who cannot teach. Or don't care for kids. Or both. It is unfortunate that they are losing their jobs, but… #
- they can always find other roles in education that are more appropriate for their talents. Or in other areas or fields. #edreform #
- See, here's the thing. They can always find another job. But our kids? Well, they don't get a second shot at learning. #edreform #
- And right now, improving every shot our children have for brighter futures, to write their own stories, is what I care about most. #edreform #
- For far too long, education has been punitive in the wrong direction. The black kids suffer. The Latino kids suffer… #edreform #
- The poor white kid suffers. The boys suffer. The black girls suffer. The great teachers suffer. The Escalantes and Gattos suffer. #edreform #
- The very promise we make to our children — that life will be better for them than our own — suffers, as does the pledge from #edreform #
- the Founding Fathers that all men are created equal suffers. All because some kids learn and others don't. #edreform #
- So yeah, don't tell me what's happening in #DCPS is punitive. It's no different than telling black men and women that #edreform #
- Byron de la Beckwith was dealt with punitively. Yeah. It isn't going to work. #edreform #
- And yeah, the poor-performing teachers are getting something punitive. But they won't be alone. Superintendents who are don't #edreform #
- And yeah, the poor-performing teachers are getting something punitive. But they won't be alone. Superintendents who don't #edreform #
- perform, they should also get their feet held to the fire. Same with school board members, state superintendents, governors and #edreform #
- mayors overseeing schools. Same for charter school operators who fail to make the grade. Same for private school operators who #edreform #
- don't cut it. American public education's penchant for low expectations has hurt far too many kids for far too long #edreform #
- Now, it is time for everyone within education to stand up, face accountability, get rewarded for great work and get the penalty #edreform #
- for failing our kids. It is just that simple. #edreform #
- @pamfb7557 But test socre growth is the best, most-objective evidence. Perfect? No. But we don't live in perfect. #edreform in reply to pamfb7557 #
- @pamfb7557 Other methods for measuring great work (observations, portfolios) tend to be even worse for teachers because #edreform in reply to pamfb7557 #
- @pamfb7557 they aren't objective measures. I can understand a teacher complaining about the results from an observation if #edreform in reply to pamfb7557 #
- @pamfb7557 they think the observing person is biased against them and there is evidence of this #edreform in reply to pamfb7557 #
- @famousmistered If you actually read everything, you will realize I'm not just blaming teachers. And I'm focusing on #edreform in reply to famousmistered #
- @famousmistered poor-performing teachers. Good-to-great teachers deserve praise for all they do and reward for their work #edreform in reply to famousmistered #
- @famousmistered I don't know how much clearer I can make this. If you still don't get it, then I can't help you. #edreform in reply to famousmistered #
- @famousmistered Or in short, read the entire timeline. in reply to famousmistered #
- @readtoday But no government is separate from politics. There may be degrees to which politics can be de-emphasized. But by nature… in reply to readtoday #
- @readtoday you can't separate government from politics. After all, taxpayers pay the bills, they vote and have interests. in reply to readtoday #
- @readtoday And whatever involves some government involvement is going to involve some level of politics in reply to readtoday #
- @readtoday Not to be disagreeable, but the clear thing is that although Finland has de-emphasized some of the politics, it isn't fully in reply to readtoday #
- @readtoday devoid of it. in reply to readtoday #
- @pamfb7557 It's called tying tests to curricula. There are successful examples of this, in the best public, charter and private schools. in reply to pamfb7557 #
- @pamfb7557 One example: Harlem Link, which incorporates reading and math into history, social studies and writing. It can be done. in reply to pamfb7557 #
- @famousmistered My apologies if I came on too strong. That isn't the goal. But I argue passionately. in reply to famousmistered #
- @readtoday Whether or not politics belongs in education or not (ideally, it shouldn't) doesn't matter. It is the reality of what happens in reply to readtoday #
- @readtoday in a system in which government is involved in education. This isn't a bad thing in a sense. If you want to improve education in reply to readtoday #
- @readtoday for all children in our system, it will involve some politics. It's just the kind of politics. in reply to readtoday #
- @readtoday My personal politics depends on the issues. I'm not doctrinaire. I may have a set of first principles, but not dogma… in reply to readtoday #
- @readtoday Dogma dies in the light of day because facts are stubborn things. You can ignore facts, but it will bite you back. Hard. in reply to readtoday #
- @readtoday I also have a link to the Education Sector and the Education Trust. They are centrist-to-liberal Democrats. in reply to readtoday #
- @readtoday I believe in rallying every caring adult on behalf of improving education. Conservatives, liberals, even communist, libertarians. in reply to readtoday #
- @readtoday Education reform is political. But the people who want to improve education come from various backgrounds and beliefs. in reply to readtoday #
- @readtoday Or, as I say, open your doors to all caring people and they will come and join with you. in reply to readtoday #
- @readtoday If all you do is pay attention to the "label", then you will never get anything done for any child. in reply to readtoday #
- @readtoday It's not about the "label". It's about the goals and the results. And that means go where they are. in reply to readtoday #
- @readtoday And a link isn't exactly an endorsement. Please use a brain. in reply to readtoday #
- @readtoday And stick to the argument. When you can't stick to the argument, it speaks ill of your position. #
- @ToughLoveforX Well, it has become something. It started off with teacher quality. Now, it has just become unreasonable. in reply to ToughLoveforX #
- @readtoday Since you insist on not sticking to the original topic, we'll just have to move on. Thanks for your thoughts. in reply to readtoday #
- @ToughLoveforX The original topic was about Finland and whether the country has really divorced politics from education. in reply to ToughLoveforX #
- @ToughLoveforX My point was that it is impossible to separate any system with a government component or delivery mechanism in reply to ToughLoveforX #
- @ToughLoveforX from politics because politics is inherent in government. And that, given that reality, politics isn't necessarily bad. in reply to ToughLoveforX #
- @ToughLoveforX It's just the question of the politics and the level of politics. in reply to ToughLoveforX #
- @msoricel But if you add the benefits packages and pensions, teaching is a high-paying position (if not as lucrative as the most-competitive in reply to msoricel #
- @msoricel sections of the private sector). Remember, the average teacher makes $53,900 a year. in reply to msoricel #
- @msoricel The average household income in the U.S.? $52,175 a year. That's two people with kids working two jobs. in reply to msoricel #
- @msoricel Sometimes we have to keep these things in perspective. Teachers are well-compensated. But they aren't well-rewarded. in reply to msoricel #
- @msoricel Because there is more to a job than pay and benefits. There is opportunity for growth, even entrepreneurship. This isn't so in reply to msoricel #
- @msoricel in teaching. in reply to msoricel #
- @ToughLoveforX I agree. Political discussion in civil society is how we reach accord, consensus, agreement on the common good. in reply to ToughLoveforX #
- @ToughLoveforX You can't have a democracy of any kind — or assure liberty for every man and woman — without it. in reply to ToughLoveforX #
- RT @ToughLoveforX: Yep. Ain't politics civil discourse. Got a bad name in the last 10 or so years, but it's the very heart of democracy. #
- RT @ToughLoveforX: The opp of charter schools I think is that they have possibility of taking step back to get clearer pic of politics. #
- @ToughLoveforX From my end, it is just a reality. Whatever one ideally believes education should be, in the real world, it is part of a in reply to ToughLoveforX #
- @ToughLoveforX political system in which there are competing interests. It is sad in some ways (for the kids), but it is also reality. in reply to ToughLoveforX #
- @ToughLoveforX For those of us who want #edreform it is important to understand and accept the politics. Then use the political tools in reply to ToughLoveforX #
- @ToughLoveforX available to effect the changes that need to happen for every child. Those who want to keep the status quo use politics all in reply to ToughLoveforX #
- @ToughLoveforX the time. So should the rest of us. in reply to ToughLoveforX #
- @famousmistered It's not just teachers. Trad. school districts, especially in suburbia (where achievement gaps are also rampant in reply to famousmistered #
- @famousmistered despite what many may think) are even more scared of #RttT #NoChild than urban districts. The urban districts, oddly enough in reply to famousmistered #
- @famousmistered have been more quick to embrace the strongest reforms and hold all within the system responsible. in reply to famousmistered #
- @ToughLoveforX From where I sit, politics can be bad when it takes us off the most important goals. But this is why we must also in reply to ToughLoveforX #
- @ToughLoveforX demand ourselves to think clearly about our arguments, goals, reasons for taking positions. in reply to ToughLoveforX #
- @ToughLoveforX This doesn't mean divorcing politics altogether. in reply to ToughLoveforX #
- @ToughLoveforX And you are right you, diversity involves politics. And arguments over common goals will involve politics. in reply to ToughLoveforX #
- @ToughLoveforX If not for politics, the United States wouldn't even exist. Nor would the 14th amendment. Nor would the Bill of Rights. in reply to ToughLoveforX #
- @ToughLoveforX Martin Luther King wouldn't have achieved so much for so many of us without politics. Slavery wouldn't have ended either. in reply to ToughLoveforX #
- RT @ToughLoveforX: @dropoutnation With diversity there has to be politics. It's the demonization of politics that is the problem, IMO. #
- RT @ToughLoveforX: @dropoutnation Aristotle talked about man as a political animal. And that was a good thing. It still is. #
- @ToughLoveforX I think it's both sides. Left-of-center folks (Olbermann) have been as irresponsible as Glenn Beck. in reply to ToughLoveforX #
- @ToughLoveforX I'm not against bombast. The best of political discussion will include occasional blasts of that. in reply to ToughLoveforX #
- @ToughLoveforX Some of the best political statements have been made not by politicians or talk show hosts, but by comedians. in reply to ToughLoveforX #
- @ToughLoveforX Redd Foxx and Dick Gregory did more to highlight the ridiculousness of Jim Crow than anyone else. in reply to ToughLoveforX #
- @ToughLoveforX And "South Park" has blown more holes in the political arguments of both sides than anyone. in reply to ToughLoveforX #
- RT @ToughLoveforX: @dropoutnation .the greatest challenge we face in edu or as country is a civil, but partisan & vigorous, public discourse #
- @ToughLoveforX Maybe. I'd prefer them to pick up some books for some long term perspective. J.S. Mill, Hazlett, Voltaire, Aristotle in reply to ToughLoveforX #
- @ToughLoveforX Bastiat, Smith, even Marx and Goethe. It would give them a better understanding of why so much happens. Good and bad. in reply to ToughLoveforX #
- RT @ToughLoveforX: @dropoutnation What is underappreciated by the "Left" is that thoughtless meme mongering is also communication pollution. #
- RT @ToughLoveforX: From 1860 to 1967 the Dems ruled cause of the South. After 1964, the Repubs have won on the Southern Strat. Not pretty. #
- @ToughLoveforX Also, there is Taylor Branch's history of the Civil Rights Movement, P.J. O'Rourke's work in the 1980s in reply to ToughLoveforX #
- @ToughLoveforX Also James B. Stewart's "Den of Thieves" and for urban history (especially on crime) in reply to ToughLoveforX #
- @ToughLoveforX "Homicide: A Year on the Killing Streets" by David Simon, who later created "The Wire". A classic. in reply to ToughLoveforX #
- RT @ToughLoveforX: @dropoutnation It would be nice. My choice number one would actually be Nassim Taleb's Black Swan. #
- @ToughLoveforX A good book, Black Swan. I also think about "The Book of David" by Richard Gelles (on child welfare) and in reply to ToughLoveforX #
- @ToughLoveforX "Education Myths" by Jay P. Greene. Robert Balfanz's original report on dropout factories should also be read. in reply to ToughLoveforX #
- @ToughLoveforX It also goes for the Abbie Hoffman crowd. Remember, those folks are now tenured profs and working in mainstream. in reply to ToughLoveforX #
- @ToughLoveforX The fringes on all side eventually get into the mainstream. Or at least, according to Camille Paglia the ones who were faking in reply to ToughLoveforX #
- RT @ToughLoveforX: Today's liberal meme (NYT) is that Everyone was Against the War in Vietnam and Civil Rights. Total bs. Rewriting History. #
- @ToughLoveforX Yup. People forget that Everett Dirksen and his Republicans provided the votes to pass the Civil Rights Act in 1964 in reply to ToughLoveforX #
- @ToughLoveforX And then provided the votes for the Voting Rights Act. in reply to ToughLoveforX #
- @ToughLoveforX Well, there are some issues, but the problems (small relatively speaking) are compared to the other problems in higher ed in reply to ToughLoveforX #
- @BillNigh Not necessarily. That would be like saying that Kennedy would be a moderate Republican today. Different times, different politics. in reply to BillNigh #
- RT @readywriting: @dropoutnation @toughloveforx which problemsf highered are we talking about? Want to add to my list! 🙂 #
- @readywriting Too long for this session. Way too long in reply to readywriting #
- RT @msoricel: I couldn't live with the fact that there are 2 different schools in every school I worked in. Very few get what they need. #
- @msoricel Agreed. I sometimes say there are three different schools in most trad. public schools. The consequences of a system of in reply to msoricel #
- @msoricel low expectations, ability tracking that has nothing to do w/actual capacity of kids to learn (infinite) #
- RT @msoricel: @dropoutnation I worked with students who did not have the skills to acquire a good job, and my community will feel the impact #
- RT @csmcico The Dropout Nation Podcast Rallying Single Parents, Grandparents, Immigrants for #edeform https://dropoutnation.net/sc #
- RT @readywriting: Rewind: Dropout Nation Podcast: Building Ties Between #edreform -ers, #Grassroots Activists https://dropoutnation.net/su0 #
- RT @ToughLoveforX: @dropoutnation @readywriting http://ilnk.me/3742 … pretty good framework from 30,000 feet on challenges for #highered #
- RT @GrayRiv LATimes.com #p2 R. Rodriguez didn't intend to make statement about #immigration ..just worked out that way #
- By the way: Coming tomorrow: The Dropout Nation Podcast: Five Steps Toward Fostering Great Teachers at DropoutNation.net #edreform #TQReform #
- @pamfb7557 I disagree. First, let's consider your argument that kids don't care about tests. Honestly, you can't prove that on any in reply to pamfb7557 #
- @pamfb7557 empirical basis. What we do know is that kids enjoy learning and like to know how they are doing in school. Tests provide in reply to pamfb7557 #
- @pamfb7557 that information. in reply to pamfb7557 #
- @pamfb7557 The other thing tests do is show how well teachers are teaching. Tests don't require you to "drill and kill" contrary to the in reply to pamfb7557 #
- @pamfb7557 FairTest school of thinking. But they do measure how well you do getting kids to learn the standard. in reply to pamfb7557 #
- @pamfb7557 I'm not all that interested in how you successfully taught a kid as long as you successfully taught a kid. Same for most folks. in reply to pamfb7557 #
- @pamfb7557 And there is growing evidence that testing helps kids learn in reply to pamfb7557 #
- @msoricel Thank you for not having low expectations. By the way: I was talking about system, not you in particular. Apologies for confusion in reply to msoricel #
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