One More Time: Education is the Long-Term Solution for Fighting Poverty
Last week, Dropout Nation contributor Matt Barnum noted the penchant of education traditionalists to advance the Poverty Myth of Education through faulty statistics and exaggerated claims that school reformers don’t offer thoughtful ideas on how to help families emerge from being economically poor. These two issues have come up once again, this time, in a “dialogue” between Education Week columnist Anthony Cody and Chris Williams of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation on systemic reform.
Cody took a shot at advancing poverty mythmaking last week when he proclaimed in one of his responses that Gates and other reformers were ignoring “the effects of poverty and racial isolation” on how children perform in school and ultimately, their paths in life upon adulthood. By focusing on improving teacher quality and other reforms instead of attempting to “hold society accountable” for impoverished conditions, school reformers fail to tackle ”the conditions in which [students] live”. Instead of transforming schools, Cody would rather embrace so-called Broader Bolder approaches featuring anti-poverty programs for which education traditionalists unsuccessfully advocated a few years ago (as well as increasing school funding, and support the expansion of public- and private-sector unions). He latter declares that Gates failed to address his points in its counterpoint.
As with so many traditionalists, Cody would rather ignore the fact that reformers actually do talk plenty about addressing poverty, just not in the manner that fits his impoverished worldview on the role education plays in addressing those issues. He also ignores the reality that the education spending has continued to increase for the past five decades, and that much of the troubles with American public education has little do with money than with the fact that so much school funding is trapped by practices such as degree- and seniority-based pay scales for teachers that have no correlation with improving student achievement. But those are matters for a later day. Why? Because Cody’s puts on full displays the problems of the poverty mythmaking in which he and other traditionalists engage.
Through citing a piece from Harvard University’s Center on the Developing Child, Cody attempts to use data from the infamous study on child vocabulary development written by Betty Hart and Todd Risley. But as Boston College professor Curt Dudly-Marling (no fan of the school reform movement) has noted in his own work, the Hart-Risley study is based on a comparison of six poor black families in Kansas City and 13 middle-class households, plagued by “serious limitations in their methodology and analysis”, and essentially plays into stereotypes held by traditionalists that poor families are incapable of helping their kids learn. Simply put, Cody is basing his argument in part on shoddy data and desultory thinking. This shouldn’t be shocking. The use of Hart and Risley’s crap study (along with the even more abysmal pedagogy offered up by Ruby Payne) is typical among traditionalists looking for go-to sources to base their faulty argument.
In citing the impact of crime and violence on children in poverty, Cody fails to consider how dropout factories and failure mills (along with the lack of focus by city officials on addressing quality-of-life issues) feed into crime-ridden conditions. The most-critical area schools struggle is in providing literacy instruction and curricula, especially in identifying and helping struggling students in the early grades. This has tremendous consequences for kids. As Deborah Stipek and Sarah Miles of Stanford University determined in a 2006 study of children from low-income households, third-grade reading performance is strongly associated with social skills — and those third graders struggling with reading tend to struggle with school discipline issues two years later. This is one reason why young black men who are high-school dropouts had a two-to-one risk of landing in prison by age 34, according to Princeton University researcher Bruce Western and Becky Pettit of the University of Washington in their 2004 study — and why high school dropouts made up 40 percent of all first-time inmates in state prisons in 1999 (and even higher when one adds former dropouts who attained General Education Development certificates).
Cody also attempts to recycle one of his earlier arguments: That teachers are not the most-important factor in student achievement. He bases this argument on the generally held assertion (originating from the famed Coleman study) that schools only account for 40 percent of student achievement — and that teachers account for half the impact. But Cody fails to admit is that many researchers think that the percentage may actually be understated and that the role of both schools and teachers on student achievement is even greater than can be quantified. Spyros Konstantopoulos of Northwestern University pointed out in his 2005 meta-analysis that teacher quality may have a much-larger impact on student achievement in areas such as mathematics and science, largely because those are subjects more-likely to be learned by students in school than at home. Another study, co-written in 1998 byValue-Added godfather Eric Hanushek, John F. Kain and Stephen Rivkin, noted that the impact of teachers on achievement could easily be underestimated largely because of grade variation in teacher quality, errors that may be inherent in the tests used at the time, and the problems of using lower-bound estimates. Given the growing evidence that low-performing students with three consecutive high-quality teachers will make gains in achievement, Cody can’t just wish away the importance of high-quality teaching (or excuse laggards who perpetuate educational malpractice on poor kids).
Then Cody makes the rather simplistic statement that family income levels have a tendency to correlate with student achievement. As Dropout Nation Contributing Editor (and research czar for the Schott Foundation for Public Education) Michael Holzman has noted, simply pointing to this tendency tells little about why, and more importantly, ignores the reality that there are schools and entire states where poor kids are achieving at the same levels as middle-class peers. More importantly, by simply arguing that poverty is destiny, Cody ignores the reality that the real problem of poverty lies with Zip Code Education policies such as zoned schooling, and outdated practices and racialist concepts such as ability-tracking, which deny poor families (along with peers from minority backgrounds) opportunities to provide their kids with high-quality instruction, curricula and school cultures of genius.
But the biggest problem with Cody’s piece lies with its rather unjustified contention that anti-poverty programs are the long-term solutions for fighting poverty. One only needs to look at the history of government-run anti-poverty efforts, and pay attention to today’s knowledge-based economy, to understand why this version of the Poverty Myth of Education has no standing.
Starting with the Great Society programs of the 1960s, America has spent five decades pouring billions into anti-poverty efforts. If one goes back to the construction of housing projects such as Chicago’s Cabrini Green during the New Deal era, and the mother’s pensions of the Progressive Era of the first two decades of the last century, these efforts have been around for a century. Yet they have largely been failures. For example, data from the U.S. Census Bureau shows that the greatest decline in poverty came between 1959 (when the federal government began keeping such statistics) and 1966, just when Great Society programs were being implemented. This decline in poverty had almost nothing to do with anti-poverty programs than with the strong economic growth that came after the end of World War II, when the United States was the world’s manufacturing center (and before Japan and Germany emerged from respective economic collapse), an unusual period in which high school dropouts could obtain high-skilled middle-class employment. After 1966, poverty rates has bounced around between 11 percent and 15 percent, waxing and waning with economic growth and recession.
If anything, many of the anti-poverty programs (including welfare) has helped foster what Leon Dash would call the pestilences of gang warfare, drug dealing and unwed motherhood that have plagued Black America and Latino communities. Federal welfare rules barring married women from receiving benefits, for example, is one reason why marriage among poor blacks has gone from being the norm to being extraordinarily rare since the 1950s — and why 70 percent of black children are born out of wedlock.
The reason why most of these anti-poverty programs haven’t worked goes back to this reality: Short-term anti-poverty efforts ameliorate the problems, but don’t stem those issues for the long haul. After all the food stamps, the Section 8 housing, the SSIC payments, and the WIC checks, the families still remain poor. The fact that these families must deal with condescension toward from bureaucrats who dole out the benefits, along with the traditional emphasis of these programs on simply handing out dollars without any sweat equity (thus denying recipients their dignity), the corruption of politicians (who tend to use welfare programs as add-ons to their political machines), and the general inability of government to deal with the complexity of family and social issues (including the issues that end up landing in juvenile courtrooms), and one can see how anti-poverty programs are doomed to long-term failure.
Anti-poverty programs don’t address the penchant of floundering cities to ignore educational and other quality-of-life issue — and focus on doling out tax breaks to developers and propping up local bureaucracies that do little to improve life for the poor families (and dwindling number of middle class counterparts) within the city limits. This is particularly the case with Cody’s hometown of Oakland. Save for onetime Oakland mayor (and current California governor) Jerry Brown’s efforts to launch charter schools, city executives have done little to address either education or quality-of-life issues. Its soon-to-be shuttered redevelopment agency, which siphoned off dollars to the local school district, didn’t even help do much to boost quality of life; just 12 percent of the redevelopment agency’s income of $28.7 million actually went to police (and almost all of it likely to those taxpayers in the redevelopment zone). Little wonder why Oakland’s violent crime rate declined by just 13 percent (from 1,851.2 per 100,000 to 1,603.9 per 100,000) between 1985 and 2010; this compares poorly to counterparts that put more energy into addressing educational and quality of life issues such as Washington D.C. ( a 24 percent decline), and New York City (which saw its violent crime rate decline by 68 percent).
Meanwhile anti-poverty programs don’t address the real issues of low educational attainment that is at the heart of the economic segregation that perpetuates poverty. In an age in which what you know is more important than what you can do with your hands, high school dropouts and others who have been given low-quality education are going to be left behind economically and socially. Anti-poverty programs can help alleviate a 15 percent unemployment rate for high school dropouts age 25-and-older, but it won’t get them back into the economic and social mainstream. Education equals empowerment, and a high-quality education is what the children of these dropouts need in order to move out of poverty for the long haul.
There have been three truly successful anti-poverty efforts of the past seven decades: The federal school lunch program; the welfare reform efforts that began with the work of Wisconsin governor (and now U.S. Senate candidate) Tommy Thompson in the late 1980s (and are now being being undone by President Barack Obama in another one of his less-thoughtful efforts; and the expansion of earned income tax credit programs both at the federal and state levels. All three have worked because they are also tied to the most-important solutions to stemming poverty: Education, jobs and empowerment. Amazing things happen when kids get the nourishment they need to concentrate on learning, mothers and fathers can get job training they need to get off welfare rolls and into decent-paying jobs, and families get additional cash alongside what they earn from work to lift themselves above the poverty line.
The reality is simple: Overhauling American public education is critical to fighting poverty for the long haul. Revamping how the nation’s ed schools recruit and train aspiring teachers, for example, would help all children get the high-quality instruction that is the most-important in-school factor in student achievement. Just as importantly, reforming education can even help address the immediate problems that stem from poverty. After-school programs and extensions of the school day (and year) — the latter of which is a hallmark of the Knowledge Is Power Program and other successful schools and systems — can help poor families address child care issues by providing healthy, crime free, and nurturing environments in which kids can continue learning. Expanding high-quality school choices, including charter schools and school voucher programs, can help revive communities by bringing schools into communities that can appeal to both the poor and middle class. And Parent Trigger laws can empower poor families to take over and lead the overhaul of failure mills in their own communities (and help them take the next step of taking on other challenges in their own neighborhoods).
These reforms would especially help poor black, white and Latino men, whose underemployment and imprisonment are among the biggest contributors to economic and social poverty. Remember, the average annual income for male high school dropouts declined by 27 percent between 1973 and 2009, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. When men don’t work, they cannot support families or be productive, active players in their communities. As seen with the 25 percent of male high school dropouts aged 35-to-54 who have never married, they are also less-likely to help build the strong two-parent households needed to help kids get into the middle class.
This isn’t to say that there isn’t a need to ameliorate the immediate effects of economic poverty. This is why the earned income tax credit is one of the best anti-poverty tools that exist. It is also the reason why city governments must focus on fixing the broken windows in and other quality of life issues that make life harder for all families, especially the very poor. And there are some issues that neither schools nor government programs can adequately address. It will take a village to end rampant unwed motherhood and emphasis the importance of marriage and building strong families.
But anti-poverty programs and quality-of-life efforts aren’t going to address the reality that 1.4 million fourth-graders who are functionally illiterate are likely to drop out in eight years. More importantly, we cannot ignore the consequences of American public education’s failures on the very communities at which its schools are the center of the lives of the children who live in them. This can only be addressed by overhauling how educate all children — especially our poorest. They deserve better than last-class schools.
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[...] The thing that makes this a “dialog” is that both sides answer each other. By claiming Cody said teachers aren’t important, or poverty is destiny, or any other outright lie, corporate “reformers” are now exposed, because Anthony’s blog is right there on the Gates website, for anybody to read.For instance, a manufactured corporate pundit wrote a column yesterday disputing a point Cody never made. He proclaims, “One More Time: Education is the Long-Term Solution for Fighting Poverty.” http://dropoutnation.net/2012/08/20/once-more-time-education-is-the-long-term-solution-for-fighting-… [...]

Chemtchr
273 days ago
Anthony Cody never said anything like “poverty is destiny”. What he says is that child poverty hurts children, and that it can be fought. He speaks for me, also, in that argument.
Like Anthony Cody, I believe that education can lift whole families out of poverty, for generations to come. I believe it so strongly that, like him, I’ve dedicated my life to the actual education of low-income kids in high-poverty schools and districts. On Monday, I’ll meet a new year’s worth of students. Based on previous experience, I’ll be able to move maybe 20% of them up to honors math and science next year. As their cognitive integration accomplishes Piaget’s great leap to abstract operations, all of them will learn. Many will find that chemistry opens the doors to the possible lives they had secretly dreamed of.
If you or the Gates foundation also believed that our work can transform their lives, it seems to me we’d be people you’d be willing to listen to. Instead, your “reform” is destroying schools, closing doors, and choking off lives.
Cody and I believe in great teachers too, we just don’t believe that statistics about teachers can make us greater. He pointed out that the Foundation’s “advocacy” is imposing harm, not benefit, on the children it purports to serve. What he actually said about the Gates Foundation’s leveraged philanthropy is this:
“In the name of reform, the Gates Foundation has wielded its political influence to effectively shift public funds, earmarked for the service of poor children, away from investment in those children’s direct education experience. Through the Race to the Top and NCLB waiver conditions, the US Department of Education has instead dedicated public resources to creating state and federal mandates for the Gates Foundation’s costly project — making sure every aspect of our educational system is “driven by data.”
Karl Wheatley
272 days ago
Having been in education for 30 years as a teacher, teacher educator, and researcher, I don’t even know where to begin.
To you, Cody is a traditionalist and Gates a reformer, to me the labels are reversed, because Cody’s brand of teaching is innovative, and Gate’s test-driven accountability merely doubles down on failed ideas from the past. The National Academy of Sciences has justifiably scolded the policymakers for basing policies on ideology not evidence.
What passes for “reform” in most schools today–public, private, and charter alike–is really based on 1) an outdated theory of psychology called behaviorism, and 2) confusing learning with manufacturing.
ALL of the major policies of the last decade–vouchers, charters, private tutoring, high-stakes test, test score pay, mayoral control, scripted instruction–have failed to improve our educational trajectory. We wasted $6 billion on Reading First and got no gains in reading comprehension but caused a lot of collateral damage because we were following the same flawed ideas that are also at the heart of VAA. Scientists and statisticians left right and center have weighed in the VAA is unscientific and untrustworthy.
The context for Cody’s recent response is three decades of teacher bashing and pretending “poverty doesn’t matter”–usually by people who don’t know how to read statistics or have a reason to try to convince the public poverty doesn’t matter.
Cody agrees teachers matter but is suggesting that a) the Gates Foundation and those they fund have played a major role in denying this fact, and b) perhaps the Gates money would be spent better on leveraging structural changes in the economy that would make more education actually pay off (we have among the very worst social mobility of industrialized nations, and that is directly because of direct government actions that made the rich rich and left everyone else treading water–see Winner Take All Politics).
The majority of jobs in the next couple of decades actually don’t require high level math and science skills–they are things like long haul truck driver, Walmart clerk, health care aide. Less than 10% of jobs in the next decade require high-level math skills. Whether the middle class and working class are doing better or worse in the future has more to do with strong unions and progressive taxation and a strong social safety net than it does with everyone going to college (which, incidentally, would depress the value of a college degree over what it is now).
If you or the people you read don’t know how poverty undermines physical, intellectual and social development, I suggest reading more broadly. Mechanisms by which poverty exerts its powerful influence on learning and development, sometimes including permanent damage: stress, lead exposure, family structure, degree and duration of poverty, school transience, parental education, number of books in the home, availability of healthy food, neglect and abuse (substance, physical, sexual), gangs and violence, lack of successful role models, etc.
No one is relying on the Coleman report anymore–there have been thousands of studies, perhaps tens of thousands of studies that document the effects of poverty on development and learning–general psychology, social psychology, developmental psychology, educational psychology, sociology, neurology, economics, etc. etc. Lead exposure sometimes causes permanent brain damage, stress undermines the development of the part of the brain that deals with forming attachments, then when children don’t form healthy attachments, they are harder to manage and educate. etc. etc etc.
Now if charters or vouchers had proven they could override all this in a scalable way, that would be terrific, but the closest thing we have to apples to apples comparisons finds the average charters and vouchers underperforming roughly comparable public schools-at least as far as test scores go.
By triple and quadruple skimming the more able and motivated students from the sending population, and then often spending more per pupil, the well known charters create a model that is simply not scalable and tells us nothing about how to educate the overall population of children in poverty. Their boat rises through a process that simultaneously pulls other boats down–leaving the least able and motivated more concentrated together than ever before.
Closer looks at KIPP find higher student attrition rates and astonishing teacher attrition rates, and compared to roughly comparable public schools, they’re spending 50% more per pupil in CA and 30-60% more in Texas. This isn’t scalable, they didn’t prove they can succeed with all kids, and they are creating collateral damage elsewhere. This isn’t to say the teachers in those “results-not-typical” schools aren’t doing admirable work with the kids in front of them–it’s just that this proves nothing about the broader policy issue of educating ALL kids. And the scandals that have come with the charter movement are totally out of proportion with the movement’s size: Love of money corrupts.
I also helped start an IB public school of choice within a major city, and what goes on THERE is great, but we achieved that by siphoning talented staff, administrators, and students and families from the rest of the district, thus making the rest of the district weaker. It’s how the Yankees look great by outbidding the other teams for the best talent–the Indians and other teams can’t replicate that. It’s called “Robbing Peter to Pay Paul.”
Last tidbit, then back to my book:
The #1 country in the world, by a large margin, in terms of the number of top-rated students on the latest PISA reading test was …. the USA, and the #1 country in the world, by a large margin, in terms of the number of top-rated students on the latest PISA math test was the USA.
Adjusting for much higher child poverty rate (double the average of other PISA nations), our average scores in reading were #1 in the world. Even our 10-25% poverty schools would have been #3 in the world in reading, although the poverty rate average for other countries is around 10%.
Gosh, I wonder why we didn’t read that in the paper–I guess it would have spoiled the smooth narrative about “failing schools” and lousy teachers. Marketing 101: Harder to take over and profit from something that isn’t seen as “failing.”
Notice that our raw average score was 14th in the world in reading but adjusting for poverty, we come out #1 in the world (and researchers know to adjust for poverty because they know poverty matters).
The irony is teachers get accused of ducking responsibility, when everyone from CEOs to politicians to parents have found schools to be a convenient whipping boy for ducking responsibility for their own failures and own contribution to our current troubles.
Now, If you’re just doing marketing for the privatization movement, feel free to ignore me. However, if you you are serious about providing great choices for parents, what you’re suggesting here will likely make things worse, not better.
Charters and vouchers, on average, are weaker choices, and they are simultaneously destabilizing a public school system that over 50 million kids rely on. Is there work that needs to be done? Absolutely, but relying on markets will just make the rich richer and the poor poorer.
Chemtchr
272 days ago
That’s better. Thank you to everybody who helped get the comments posted at last, and special thanks to RiShawn Biddle for posting them. Now, I can offer some actual discussion of the points he tries to make.
I want to do that, because I believe Mr. Biddle might be mistaken about which side he’s on in this argument. There is little in his last 8 paragraphs with which Cody or I would disagree, and much which the Gates Foundation has opposed in its misdirection of our public policy. It is truly bizarre to claim Cody neglected the findings or program of the Schott Foundation, for instance. Anthony cites the work of the Opportunity to Learn Campaign in his argument against Gates. Did he not know that OTL is the Schott Foundation’s program?
http://www.schottfoundation.org/funds/otl
Besides literally dedication my life to the goals of the OTL campaign, I set up an automatic monthly contribution as soon as Schott announced the fund. What did Bill Gates do?
I had expected some wonks at Gates would at least try to address Cody’s actual core argument. They might have done a better job than Dropout Nation, but at least Biddle has made an attempt at answering Cody’s core argument that poverty is doing unacceptable damage to our children’s educational opportunities.
However, Biddle’s wonkery is weak here, and his vitriol is unwarranted. For instance, he denounces Cody for citing a classic, groundbreaking study of vocabulary development:
“The use of Hart and Risley’s crap study (along with the even more abysmal pedagogy offered up by Ruby Payne) is typical among traditionalists looking for go-to sources to base their faulty argument.”
A simple academic search would have brought more recent and larger studies to his attention:
Teacher qualifications, classroom practices, family characteristics, and preschool experience: Complex effects on first graders’ vocabulary and early reading outcomes
Carol McDonald Connor et al, 2005,
“Overall, students’ language and letter–word recognition scores when they were 54 months of age, their home learning environment and family SES accounted for most of the variability in vocabulary and early reading scores at the end of first grade.”
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022440505000543
The comprehensive language approach to early literacy: The interrelationships among vocabulary, phonological sensitivity, and print knowledge among preschool-aged children.
Dickinson, David K, et al 2003
“The study included 533 Head Start preschool-aged children (M=4 years 9 months) in 2 locations and examined receptive vocabulary, phonological awareness, and print knowledge.”
http://psycnet.apa.org/journals/edu/95/3/465/
RiShawn Biddle
272 days ago
First thing, Chemtchr, your comment didn’t get immediately posted because all comments on this site are moderated. As a general rule, depending on all the other activities being handled, Dropout Nation will allow comments to get through once vetted for possibility of spam as well as for any violation of this site’s policy of maintaining civil conversation. This can take as long as a day. In your case, no one said anything to Dropout Nation about your comment; I didn’t even notice you were trying to do some weak effort to force your comments to appear before the comment verification process was completed, until notified about a pingback from Diane Ravitch’s site. No one would say anything because most folks know that publications have the right to allow or disallow comments as they please.
[I do appreciate you sending a mention to Diane Ravitch, whose intellectual dishonesty has long been the source of criticism by this publication. The fact that she mentioned your letter proves once again that she's hardly worth taking seriously. But we will take what little traffic comes from it.]
Second: Cody’s piece essentially made clear that he doesn’t believe that education is the long-term solution for combating poverty. From his continued effort to downplay the role of teaching in student achievement, to his various citations, Cody made clear where he stands. As a polemicist, it is job to make clear what he believes. He did so. And my job in term, as a polemicist, is to point out where his arguments fall short. So there. Don’t like the conclusions reached by Dropout Nation and its writers? Don’t read this publication.
Third: The studies you mention don’t necessarily stand up to scrutiny, or (more importantly) actually reach the conclusions you assert they do. The Dickinson study, for example, is not nationally normed or standardized, putting its conclusions into question. More importantly, the study essentially supports the conclusion that high-quality teaching and curricula does help improve student literacy, especially if those interventions are applied during the early year’s a child is in either pre-K or K-12 schools. If anything, your argument (which is again, the poverty is destiny myth) doesn’t stand up to the sniff test.
Thank you for at least giving me a few laughs — and providing this editor with volumes of free (if not all that useful) content.
Karl Wheatley
271 days ago
RiShawn,
I honestly think you’re missing the point, despite all the ink spilled here.
You really want to think Cody is saying teaching doesn’t matter and neither he nor Chemtchr are saying that.
They ARE saying poverty is a major factor in student outcomes, and as I have pointed out, you’ve provided zero evidence to refute that, and GF themselves agreed it matters. Are you saying poverty doesn’t have a major influence on development, and if so, what are your sources?
They ARE saying we have no scientifically defensible ways of judging teacher quality at the moment, so attaching stakes to lousy assessments is going to make things better, not worse. One of my simulations has the principal wrongfully firing 50 out of 225 teachers after two three-year cycles, and wrongfully canonizing another 50, although they all have identical teaching skill. And that was under controlled conditions, not messy real-world conditions.
The ARE saying that in an economy rigged to favor the very wealthy and give no raises to workers even when their productivity rises, counting on education to fix this is “opiate of the masses” stuff. Unless the intentionally created structural inequities in the economy are addressed, there will be lots of PhDs and engineers on food stamps. There are necessary preconditions for greater educational achievement to raise one’s ship much, and the US doesn’t qualify right now, as evidenced by our lousy social mobility. Mr. Gates may have zero interest in taking that on, but I think Anthony thought it was worth a try.
P.S. You may need to dig a little deeper in the literacy research. Yes, good education helps kids develop their literacy skills, but there are all sorts of landmines to beware of. For example, the methods that boost test scores the fastest in the early years backfire in all sorts of ways in the long run, and having been involved in education for low-income kids since ’82, I know that poor kids get the poorest instruction, instruction that boosts these subskills fastest in the short run (but yields no meaningful long-term benefits), while undermining the initiative, love of learning, creativity etc. that are so important in the long run. Most of the widely-touted “what works” for poor kids “works” the same way fad diets “work.” Or to put it in language that fits your blog focus, many of the instructional interventions that appear most dramatically effective in the early years in boosting student test scores are precisely what can be expected to turn kids off to school, create more behavior problems, and increase dropouts later on. Buyer beware.
RiShawn Biddle
271 days ago
Actually, Karl, I get exactly what both Cody and Chemtchr are saying. In fact, based on their writings and citations, it is clear. They don’t think education is the long-term solution for stemming poverty, don’t think that teacher performance can be objectively measured, think that poverty is destiny and thus, teachers and school leaders cannot do much to help poor kids succeed, and ultimately, that poverty must be addressed first before schools can be reformed (on their terms).
You may disagree with the summation, and they do as well. But, at the end of the day, in the marketplace of rhetoric and debate, unless you make your terms and statements clear, ideological opponents can and shall interpret what is being said and what it means. That’s the way it works in all aspects of life. Don’t like it? Get out of the arena.
From my perspective, there is no “rigging” of the economy for just the wealthy. That’s pure class warfare rhetoric. Certainly there are consequences of regulation; in fact, one of the reasons why those who advocate for free markets generally push for fewer regulations is because the larger the role government plays in a marketplace, the easier it is for larger firms and players to drive out smaller competitors for their benefit. This is also why many are driving for a simpler tax code: The more complicated and progressively increasing a tax system is, the more incentive there is for those with influence individually and in a group (especially the middle class, who are the biggest beneficiaries of both the tax code — in the form of deductions on housing — and of entitlements including Social Security) to game the system. If you want to argue for simplifying both regulations and tax codes, I’m all for it. But based on your statements, I doubt that you would agree.
But in the case of the overall economy, the reality has been clear for at least three decades that the more education you have, the more-likely you will thrive economically and socially. This is because we are no longer in an industrial age in which manual skills are highly valued. Thanks in part to technological advances, even those jobs once considered to be just manual labor such as welding machine tool-and-die, and auto mechanic work, are now knowledge-based jobs where you have to have strong reading, math, and science skills. Given that inflation-adjusted income levels have declined for all those with low skills and has increased or stayed apace for those with college educations of some form, it is clear that you can’t fight poverty without increasing educational attainment. And that means reforming American public education, which has proven a long time ago to be ill-equipped in its current form for that purpose. And that is the reality, plain and simple.